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Can you confirm you have purchased a CK Editor OEM License? [resolved]

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rougeExciter
rougeExciter

I can’t find this in the documentation anywhere, but I wanted to confirm that you have purchased a CK Editor OEM license. If not, we would need to purchase a CK license of our own for each installation.

PutYourLightsOn
# 1
Developer
PutYourLightsOn

CKEditor is distributed under several open source licenses and can be freely used in commercial projects.

EDIT: After causing some confusion I want to clarify that Expresso is covered by the OEM Closed Distribution License (CDL) of CKEditor.

rougeExciter
# 2
rougeExciter

I’m afraid that’s wrong. That would require that we make our code for the site using it open source too, which is certainly not part of our client agreements. A commercial agreement is required either from yourself the supplier or then for each site it is used for. You may not have consulted a lawyer, but I have since the issue was raised by a client.

You must now raise this up in all of your documentation or you are putting YOUR customers at risk.

Note that others who use CK Editor (such as Wygwam) do have an OEM license.

rougeExciter
# 3
rougeExciter

On the plus side, nobody needs to pay for Expresso as it too is impacted by the same terms if you do not have a commercial OEM license, and it is therefore open source as well. You should update your license agreement to reflect this.

Tyssen
# 4
Tyssen

Can I get confirmation that you don’t have an OEM licence?

Brendon Carr
# 5
Brendon Carr

I kind of suspected this was improperly licensed, as the OEM license of CKEditor is US$1340, and it would take hundreds of add-on sales merely to recoup the license cost advanced. There’s a reason Brandon Kelly charges $35 for Wygwam, and that’s Brandon’s need to earn back the cost of the US$1340 paid to Frederico Knabben for Frederico’s work.

rougeExciter
# 6
rougeExciter

The thing is, at least for the single site license, I think this is too cheap. I’d happily pay more (the saved time developing and maintaining my own). The multi-site license is obviously way under-priced.

However, what is really worrying is the dismissive attitude. CK Editor is the result of a lot of people’s hard work. People like us. They are entitled to fair payment for that work, or as is their choice… to promote the propagation of open source software.

rougeExciter
# 7
rougeExciter

That is fantastic news, thank you for clarifying and the actual answer could not be better.

PutYourLightsOn
# 8
Developer
PutYourLightsOn

i apologize for the confusion i caused by replying to your question without having properly understood what you were asking.

TO CLARIFY: Expresso is covered by the OEM Closed Distribution License (CDL) of CKEditor which i have purchased from Frederico Knabben.

PutYourLightsOn
# 9
Developer
PutYourLightsOn

in light of your comments about the pricing of Expresso, i’d like to say that i originally set out to create a solid, lightweight, affordable WYSIWYG editor for EE. this kind of functionality is often included in a CMS and is certainly a high demand feature. since i found the alternatives a bit overpriced i decided to create one and offer it at a reasonable price and with a small but sufficient set of features. the price tag of the OEM license of CKEditor does make this a bit challenging but it is probably the best editor available and i have easily made the cost back through sales of Expresso.

as for Expresso Developer (the multi-license version), i agree that it may be underpriced. the $95 price tag was intended as an introductory price so it may be adjusted at some stage in the future, along with extra features being added to this version (import/export settings for example).

thanks for your feedback and interest in these issues!

ben